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Feedback ยท Allow some traits to have multiple categories selected (rejected)

A few traits are beginning to emerge where it makes sense to be able to select multiple categories:

  • nipple size has sizes, plus inverted -- a character could have large, inverted nipples
  • amputations has mild to extreme, plus gender nullified -- someone could have moderate/extreme amputations (limbs missing, etc) and be gender nullified
  • piercings has mild to extreme, plus sexual -- same thing again.
  • post perspective has first, second, and third person -- in my own case, I use second or third, depending on the roleplay. (Not interchangeably in the same roleplay, mind!)
  • genital type -- some fantasy dicks can be spined and knotted and flared.

We would probably benefit from certain traits having multiple categories selectable in some fashion.

In truth there might be a deeper issue here that this is only patching over. Inverted nipples might better belong in a nipple type trait (which would probably be in the same bucket as genitals, as far as needing multiselect goes). I'm hard put to imagine where the sexual or gender nullified categories better belong though; they don't seem to be worth making traits for - and the rest of these (post perspective, genital type, a potential nipple type trait) all seem exactly fitting as is, but just benefit from multiselect.

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created: 01 March 15 at 03:13 AM (build: 2/27/2015 11:53 PM beta)

Roel

Thing with multiple categories is - either it has to be coded for very specific cases (like allowing Gender nullified plus any one of other amputations) and then you have to somehow keep it clear which of them can have more selected and how exactly (which makes it harder for new people, as suddenly the 'standard approach' is not standard) or you implement it so that it is possible just like that.
The second one is actually catastrophic - we are already seeing some hub profiles being created, and I can bet my antlers on that they would just have almost every (or just every) Category of every Trait selected (I am thinking about profiles like 'A tribe/pack/gang of <insert species>'. Why is it bad? Because site has this crazy search, selectable and vote-able everything to make sure you can search for anything - more specifically, that there is nothing stopping you from finding exactly the type of partner that you want. Category-overloaded hub profiles would muddy up the search immensely.
Overall, it is problematic - though in some cases I do agree there happens to be a category that is sometimes in need of ability to be selected alongside something. Maybe the thing I said when certain ones can be set as a 'bonus' but then... we run into issue of how to easy to grasp and explain. Site is complex as it is.

post perspective has first, second, and third person -- in my own case, I use second or third, depending on the roleplay. (Not interchangeably in the same roleplay, mind!)

It could require some better explanation in Trait itself, probably, but what you set there is more like your main perspective - and if you have positive preference towards any other, it means you will play using it. Because otherwise preferences there wouldn't make any sense, would they?

genital type -- some fantasy dicks can be spined and knotted and flared.

There is a hybrid/other category for cases like that.

Wrecked Avent Site Administrator

nipple size has sizes, plus inverted -- a character could have large, inverted nipples

This one I actually concede. There was a suggestion made just recently to spit up into nipple appearance though, which would let you specify large, inverted nipples.

amputations has mild to extreme, plus gender nullified -- someone could have moderate/extreme amputations (limbs missing, etc) and be gender nullified

Someone could, but the description for gender nullified is pretty clear it's only gender-pieces missing. If you have more than that, you pick something that isn't that, so moderate or extreme.

piercings has mild to extreme, plus sexual -- same thing again.

Yes, someone could, but the sexual one here is an --- exclusive --- special case. It's saying only having sexual piercings, e.g otherwise completely discrete. It is a form of mild. Anything more extreme goes to moderate or extreme.

post perspective has first, second, and third person -- in my own case, I use second or third, depending on the roleplay. (Not interchangeably in the same roleplay, mind!)

Will be handled by desired traits per RP.

genital type -- some fantasy dicks can be spined and knotted and flared.

Use hybrid or other. Extreme unique things are not handled by categories by design --- you're not meant to pick whatever is most useful to you, but what is most useful to everyone else viewing your profile who don't care you're a cat/lion/tiger/alien hybrid, or whatever. You can also just pick whichever one it most resembles if the hybridization is minor.


There are some pretty significant problems with using multi-select for traits and categories:

  • SEVERELY complicate preferences, comparisons, and searching
    How do I set a preference for just feline genitalia? What about both feline and human? What about human, if only there isn't feline? This adds a lot of complexity to this system for way too little pay off, imo.
  • Allow hub profiles to basically select everything and ruin the profile system
    Great! Now I can select every possible gender I want to play and every possible configuration of every trait so I can return more on searches! Awesome. Except now no one reading my profile has a blind clue what the profile is for or what it is intended to do, it's just a vague combination of parts. There's no real character anymore.

If we made it specific to just a few traits, then we run into other issues, like consistency. We have enough trouble getting people to use preferences, categories, etc. meaningfully as it is. Now some of them will --- arbitrarily, really --- let you select multiple ontop of that? This is another case where the complexity-add is not worth the benefit-add, imo.

Wrecked Avent Site Administrator

I have rejected this on another feedback, and will do so here for similar reasons. Complicates search, complicates filling out a profile, complicates reading and comparing a profile, complicates basically everything one can do with traits to a level I don't feel is appropriate, and can lead to misleading profiles.

A possible concession for "writer profiles" may be had, where you are willing to list your preferences and what you will play, instead of attempting to conflate this information into character profiles.

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