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A character who identifies outside of gender binary.

Wait, so... how does exactly split in Bigender create the need for this? I am missing something right now (and asking mostly out of curiosity).

We're not becoming a Social Justice Warrior Tumblr blog, right? I would recommend a term that defines itself for what it is and not for what it isn't.

Just how useful is it to have it as another category, though? Wouldn't it be better to simply modify Genderfluid suggestion in a way that it doesn't explicitly states between what genders the character fluctuates? I mean, for the sake of being practical - the concept you bring in, Gabriel is probably awfully exotic to most, so I am not sure if cutting another category is exactly the way to go.

Concerns about the idea being exotic or concerns about mentioning the genders explicitly? I am currently unsure if I even saw them, until I know what was exactly the concern.

Some lively discussion going on so I have moved this to needs discussion. Personally I would prefer a genderqueer over a genderfluid as I don't really see that many people using the more unique gender identifications, but that's why we have this system to find out.

So what would be preferred approach, then? Close the Genderfluid and instead have this, which would include that one meaning too?

You're still using loaded, non-descriptive, defensive terminology. "Unique". "Unhelpful". Do you really want to draw in the Tumblr SJW crowd demanding "refer to me as my pronouns kit/kits/kitself"? Having a third sex for an alien race is one thing, especially with the ability for users to provide essential physiological clarification on character traits (gender solipsism likely would not exist without empirical sex), but the inflammatory neologism "genderqueer" is less exhaustive and mutually exclusive. See also: "cuntboy".

You're still using loaded, non-descriptive, defensive terminology. "Unique". "Unhelpful". Do you really want to draw in the Tumblr SJW crowd demanding "refer to me as my pronouns kit/kits/kitself"? Having a third sex for an alien race is one thing, especially with the ability for users to provide essential physiological clarification on character traits (gender solipsism likely would not exist without empirical sex), but the inflammatory neologism "genderqueer" is less exhaustive and mutually exclusive. See also: "cuntboy".

I can tell you that rhetoric of "Let's not have something because something big and bad will happen and these evil people will come" is entirely unhelpful and closer to creating a flame than a discussion, which we do not want. So, yes, if you could cut out that part of reasoning and focus on the thing instead of its social context it would be a lot easier.
If people who actually bring to the table very specific genders, their combinations and whatnot deem it reasonable to have a catch-all thing for every highly unusual approach - I find it fine. I am not sure why the name would be this problematic, however. One can make argument about virtually anything being inflammatory/controversial/whatever considering the general approach many have to the whole approach.

Do you really want to draw in the Tumblr SJW crowd [snip].

.. the inflammatory neologism "genderqueer" is less exhaustive and mutually exclusive. See also: "cuntboy".

Cool it, Salem. We're discussing adding genderqueer, if you don't like it, don't vote for it. If you think it can be phrased better, suggest how it can be done better. Genderqueer is certainly one of the least offensive labels we could use for this category of people (it does not even begin to compare to shemale or cuntboy in terms of offensiveness). The only other term that comes to mind that encapsulates all of this is non-binary.

non-binary would be the way to go, imho, as it's neutral and doesn't have connotations that would make people froth at the mouth and scream 'FUCKING TUMBLR' every time they saw it. Just my 2c; it'd cause less heat in the future, I think.

Why is there so much discussion on this? Why is genderqueer/non-binary a tumblr exclusive thing? These concepts have been around for a long time.

Anyway, I prefer Non-binary to Genderqueer here because, to me, genderqueer more refers to "atypical gender identities" or "playing with gender identities". It's a broad, vague and can be defined just by traits alone. I could have a character with a Sex of Female, a Mental Gender of Agender and a Gender Expression of Masculine and that could honestly just be called "genderqueer". Non-binary on the other hand would be more definite, as broad as it is, as an actual gender. It would include alien or otherwise inhuman genders, which is a pretty great thing for searching characters who work that way.

To be honest, that site has a lot of bad eggs on it who abuse social justice and gender politics but that's not what needs to be discussed here. I just want this to get category adjusted and endorsed because it's pretty valuable for searching.

It seems fine to me! There are only a few things: I'm not sure if you meant "outside of gender binary" or " outside of the gender binary" and genders are usually expressed as "gender" not "gendered"; ie pangender.

Now tell me if and how it affects the Genderfluid suggestion and we are golden.

Actually...yeah? What's the significant difference between pangender and genderfluid? Does pangender include genderfluid? I'm not familiar with the term pangender as much but I can only assume what it means; having multiple gender identities.

I'd say given that Bigender is already in place and since most people will want to use that for characters who are both male and female, others will probably use Non-binary for characters who are Genderfluid since that's essentially what's defined here. It may be redundant to have a specific category for Genderfluid if that's just bundled here.

Okay, I will ask for editing or whatever is needed to make this one obviously contain Genderfluid and will ask for closing of that one, to make it all clean.