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Feedback ยท Species and Body Type (rejected)

I suggest to organize Species and Body Type similar like the Gender traits. Species should be the nature of a character while Body Type is the physical shape.

Typical species would be: Human, Robot, Demon, God, Extraterrestrial, Feline, Kemonomimi

Typical Body Types would be: Human, Cat, Lion, Tiger, Dog, Dragon, Fish

The combination of those two traits defines the species of the character like physical and mental gender define the gender:

A human is Human-Human. An android is Robot-Human. Superman is Extraterrestial-Human. A Cat is Feline-Cat. A Catdemon is Demon-cat. A Neko is Kemonomimi-Cat. A Lion is Feline-Lion.

The "nature" is defined by "Species" and combined with the "physical shape", the "Body Type".

"Nature" means all characteristics of a species except the body shape. A cat is an animal made of flesh and bones, has cat-senses, says 'meow', walks on all fours, loves milk and fish, moves with catlike elegance. This altogether is the species or nature of a cat. A human with a human body who acts, sees, feels like a cat would be species:cat and body:human. A cat in a human body similar like a transgender is a woman in a male body.

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created: 01 January 16 at 11:07 AM (build: 10/1/2015 4:20 PM beta)

Princess Bubblegum

Since species isn't the nature of a character, and body type isn't about physical shape (at least not insofar as "cat" and "dog" are different body types), I suggest you might want different names for these things. I'm at a loss to imagine where different things should be in either, and why you have Feline and Canine and Cat and Dog. (What was wrong with Body Type: Feral?)

Princess Bubblegum

That guy, being a gijinka/humanisation, is literally just a human. (Who has design elements reminiscent of a cat, 'cause he's a gijinka, but that doesn't make him a cat.) If his personality's somehow cattish we don't have a thing for that.

Alva Hargrave

I think I get what this is going for but at the same time I don't think this is the best way to handle this. Maybe some clarification in the species and body type trait's categories? Perhaps even adding some new ones? The supernatural nature categories bleeds over into the species/body type ones a little bit, particularly monstrous, demonic and angelic, since people tend to use these to convey what their character might look like as opposed to what abilities they may have.

Also, I see no issue with using human body type and feline species to search for a character who may be externally human but literally a cat (maybe due to some sort of magic or mimicry) because that seems to be a very specific search someone would make since we have both the anthro and kemonomimi categories. If someone just has feline personality traits I don't see why that would need to be searched, it could just be added as context.

Desdemona Fireheart

Hi, thanks for the feedback.

@Samus: Well cat and dog is more specific. A wolf is not a dog but a canine. A Tiger and a cat have different bodies but they are similar internaly. So Feline is good for both of them. I think "Species" and "Body" would be good names for the two traits, but I didn't want to make it too compicated. I anyway had to delete stuff because my text was too long. I am not sure what the difference is between feral and animal, but it's nothing wrong with feral.

@Jerah: No. Not the "inner spirit" the "inner nature". The way their body is made and works. A robot is made of metal while an animal is of flesh. An zombie animal is also made of flesh but works in another way. The mental-species is not the crucial point. The "internal design" is the species. The way how the body is made and works. The mind is part of the "internal design", but not the only part. A cat, magically changed into a human, but still acting like a cat and having the sharp cat senses, would be species cat.

@Alva: Well, "supernatural powers" was renamed to "supernatural nature" so people can use demonic to show that their char is a demon. This was done because adding demon at species would mean, you cannot have a wolf-demon. Problem is, that demonic shall also be used to show that a char has demonic powers.

Princess Bubblegum

I anyway had to delete stuff because my text was too long. I am not sure what the difference is between feral and animal, but it's nothing wrong with feral.

I found out you can get around that by editing your post. I don't have any patience that limit myself (you might've noticed I'm prone to posting stuff that takes a lot of explaining!) so thank goodness there's a way to deal with it.

Jade Mortimer-Senate

I actually really like this idea! It seems simpler than the current, but like it would have a lot more flexibility.

Desdemona Fireheart

The idea is to reduce the three traits species/body-type/supernat.nature into two. At the moment Body type defines the body, sup.nature defines the inner nature, and species defines both. A succubus is: demi-human + human + demonic. Actually a succubus is a humanoid demon and would only need two traits to express this. I think there is consensus that it's not the optimal solution how it is now but there a different ideas how to improve it.

Desdemona Fireheart

I found out you can get around that by editing your post. I don't have any patience that limit myself (you might've noticed I'm prone to posting stuff that takes a lot of explaining!) so thank goodness there's a way to deal with it.

Ah, thanks for the hint, I think then I'll flesh it out a little . Till now I only new the trick to write the rest into the first comment. :)

Lich Community Manager

Declining as we're not sure what this is supposed to take away from this one. I'll highlight my own confusion over "feline" being a species while "cat" and "dog" are body types. Something that requires lion, tiger, and cat to be separate body types here despite being very similar will probably be unsustainable.

We'll revisit species & connected traits like supernatural nature and body type, but I'm not sure what we should take away from this.

Desdemona Fireheart

Well, there is "human" species and "human" body type, why shouldn't that work for cats the same? If you work with a body-species combination of two traits and you are specific, there will be a cat-cat. It doesn't require tiger and lion though, that was just an example. Instead Cat, Lion, Tiger, there could also be just feline.

Lich Community Manager

Desdemona Fireheart

There is also a humanoid species: Demihuman.

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