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Non-magical and methodical alteration of the body's anatomy, especially to change, add, or remove functions.

Body modification trait = "I have piercings! Also, I like people who have tattoos, piercings and scars."

Very, very unrelated to an interest in the themes of body modification roleplays, which can often be invasive and surgical. It's like a nonmagical, sciencey version of transformation. Personally I'd use this to indicate a will-try interest in messing with Curly Brace's anatomy.

Okay, so I read it too fast, but that actually leads me to actual point: the name can't stay like suggested. Would get too confusing with the trait.

I would rename it to Body alteration for starters, though I am unsure if distinction is big enough to warrant different interest from Transformation, which is actually highly non-specific and fits any method of transforming. But I guess it will be measured by endorsement it gets.

Body alteration is close enough, but I think modification is the more common term? Not a big deal though. I changed it. Also transformation is different to body alteration like penetrative anal sex is different to penetrative vaginal sex: you could simplify it to say "well they're in a different shape in the end" or "well a penis went in a hole", but the themes and the way that happened is important. In this case, transformation's almost exclusively magical, body alteration is almost exclusively not, and transformation isn't an interest I have.

Body alteration is close enough, but I think modification is the more common term?

I was just recommending it because 'Body modification' happens a lot more often to be about piercing and such, at least where I was usually playing. Plus, we have it as trait, so it was just the matter of clean distinction.

In this case, transformation's almost exclusively magical, body alteration is almost exclusively not, and transformation isn't an interest I have.

Pardon me, then. I was never into the thing and never saw explicit distinction being made before (like, to even give different names), so that is why I spoke as I did.

I was just recommending it because 'Body modification' happens a lot more often to be about piercing and such, at least where I was usually playing. Plus, we have it as trait, so it was just the matter of clean distinction.

I agree at least on the basis of it not being confusing on this site.

Pardon me, then. I was never into the thing and never saw explicit distinction being made before (like, to even give different names), so that is why I spoke as I did.

That's ok!! It's not like people might know about the dividing line until they begin to actually care about one or the other in particular, like me. :)

Seems to be a lively discussion going on so I have moved this to needs discussion and will keep it there for a day or two.

I like this better than "just use medical play" because it's action-y, and can be used with or without medical play. I am not, however, sure how this would combine/interfere with an interest in transformation --- neither of these are really my thing.

Right so, as some one who has played out giving and receiving of piercings, having a character's tongue split, and getting ears cut and wired up to be pointed, I am someone who has played what I believe op is suggesting.

I think that in these cases the fact that it is non magical makes would not make it equatable with 'transformation' in my mind. Transformation to me implies something that is fairly fast paced. (One transforming into a were wolf, or a mech bot transforms in some way) Medical play could possibly work, though I do not feel that it is particularly fitting either. To me, medical play implies a theme of doctor and patient, or a theme of hospitals/doctors offices. This, though, is something done while sitting together and smoking pot, or in the tattoo/piercing shop, without the power roles of giver and receiver.

I can see where the title 'body modification' may become confusing, as it over laps with the trait term. The 'body alteration' term seems fitting in my view.

That's pretty much it! ^ With the addition that body alteration can still get pretty extreme or hardcore, like turning people into amputees or other stuff. Some of the more extreme stuff could take on themes of medical play but they aren't the same thing.

No, it's definitely useful to have a category which covers all that stuff in a lump. Same reason it's useful to have a Transformation category instead of one for the dozen or more types of transformation play. Some of those things might get too specific to be worth it or leave us having to add, like, a dozen things to make people read between the lines that we are into body alteration. But if they're worth having, we can go ahead and add some of those as well!!

That's also comparable to how we have just the one Vore interest at the moment. Lots of kinds of vore we could add at some point, but for now it's not useful to have all of those and more useful just to have just the one interest about all of them.

I would like a word from WA on this, but I did not think there was a plan to have, for example, each and every type of bdsm as a separate interest. That was, from my understanding, what the clarification is for so one could say that they are interested in 'body alteration' and in the typing area they could explain an interest in piercing, nullification, or any variant of the above.

I would like a word from WA on this, but I did not think there was a plan to have, for example, each and every type of bdsm as a separate interest. That was, from my understanding, what the clarification is for so one could say that they are interested in 'body alteration' and in the typing area they could explain an interest in piercing, nullification, or any variant of the above.

I will confirm that the plan going forward is to have specific interests in specific areas -- particularly "actiony" things, like bondage, whipping, etc. -- and then group them together with the interest grouping already linked to manage the inherit complexity of that.

To further expand, the grouping would allow you to say both that you're interested in bdsm as a whole, or specific parts of BDSM. Like with traits and all, it would let you be as specific or general as you want.

At the moment, though, we don't have specific interests in things like whipping, so for now it would make sense to get this interest, in its current form, out there for use?

Might be a good idea, because even if associations roll out soon, they require a bit of a setup.

That's what I mean - by current convention we don't get specific and so something this broad is status quo.

Dragon, I think we agree that more specific stuff will eventually be useful one day. However we're not at that point hat and getting more specific isn't useful yet. (It sounds like at the time we do get more specific, we're also going to keep broader stuff like this rather than remove it, did I read that right?)

We are more likely to have the broad stuff cease to be an Interest and instead be some sort of Grouping Category. It doesn't have a 'score' you set for it, but is kind-of more relevant the more you value things that are part of it.

For the time being, it seems like this one is acceptable to pass, right?

I think so? Meets the current levels of various interests, is actiony (can be given/received), doesn't seem to have particular objections except detail level. Someone else has brought up some more specific interests which have some overlap with this stuff. There's a lot of options and methods involved in body alteration though so I think it's better served with a broader interest like this. As I understand it, those mutual interests aren't mutually exclusive from this one anyway.