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automatic category suggestion for employment: 50 out of 50

A character who is employed in the Entertainment industry

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created: 08 March 15 at 07:26 PM (build: 3/3/2015 3:09 AM beta)

closed: 25 March 15 at 12:06 AM (build: 3/20/2015 4:37 AM beta)

Wrecked Avent Site Administrator

Is this meaningfully and usefully distinct from art?

Roel

I would rather disagree? Actors are still very much people of art - what comes to mind immediately when seeing entertainment is 'less artsy' sort of performing mostly - so circuss artists (even though 'artists'), people involved in TV shows, maybe stand-up comedians... I don't know, it is hard for me to come up with more or less 'contained' definition for this.

Cressida Selene

I have no idea how sex worker came up here. I guess that used to be a category? I can't find any reference to it. I'm not opposed to sex work as a category, especially give Cressy's profile, and the focus of many RPs, but that seems awfully specific. Art in the singular implies traditional 'art' specifically, not all the range of 'Arts', which itself does not encompass all Entertainment or entertainers. (I refuse to recognize people like Beiber or any Kardashian as 'artists', but then that is just me making a commonly-made observation.)

If you want to change Art to Arts and Entertainment, that would work well. Arts and Entertainment separate also works for me. Personally, I'm going to suggest Engineering, but that is where we might have Science and Engineering instead, maybe.

Roel

Back when we talked about this Trait and Categories for it, I was a bit discouraged from making two-words categories, so I tried to condense them into one words - reason for things like 'Science' and such. Just to give some context.
As far as Sex worker goes, it is in queue as Sex now - changed because of me, though after thinking more I would probably agree it needs a bit better name.

Cressida Selene

Cressida's main work falls under Entertainment specifically. It would be a too-enormous of a stretch to call her an "artist", and it would be especially misleading to place her under an Art category, especially given the current, fairly narrow definition attached to Art. She would also fall under Sex work, but that isn't quite appropriate for her main work as an exotic dancer or stripper. Yes, it is somewhat sex-related, but not really, truly. Plus, as much as I like the idea of a Sex work category, I have to admit that it is unusually specific, and invites the creation of 40 or 50 categories for this Trait. I'm thinking more in terms with the official employment categories used by the government for employment statistics, thus things like Hospitality, Food Service, Entertainment, Engineering, and so on. Sex work would be a sub-set of Entertainment, so it could be covered by that. Personally, I'd probably vote for both of them, given the chance, to be honest, but I could live without Sex work if I have Entertainment.

Roel

Truth be told, I think back then I tried to make Art & Entertainment or something like that. And current description of Art was supposed to catch Entertainment too, but I apparently failed at it. I would prefer for some categories to be broadened in a way, rather than having too many of them. It is supposed to be as general as possible - including this one.

Wrecked Avent Site Administrator

Hmmm. Using this instead of sex workermay be more appropriate and cover more things, but I'm still not entirely sure it needs to be separate from art. I guess it may be useful to find people who are performance artists in entertainment.

Cressida Selene

If you want to say that all actors, performers, and every sort of 'entertainer' falls under the category of 'artist', then you probably need to change art to arts, and edit the definition to match the intention. As it is, it is singular and thus implies only the most common and narrow definition of art, which is not really contradicted by the current definition for art. Dancers, circus entertainers (and circus-freaks for that matter), piano-players, opera singers, and more are all entertainers, but it is often a huge stretch to say they work in an "artistic, creative" field. These are all entertainers that perform rote kind of work, where someone else, often a very, very long time ago, was the one who was 'creative'. But maybe Arts and a very broadened definition that includes a mention of "actors, singers, and entertainers" would work OK. I just think Entertainer is perfectly generic and distinctive, hence the reason you always see the two terms spoken together: "Arts and Entertainment," making them one category by explicitly conjoining them. If ease of searching wasn't a thing, I'd suggest A&E, or the full phrase.

Wrecked Avent Site Administrator

I am unblocking this per the discussion. This may allow us to remove sex worker.

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