This one might be tricky, but it would be really neat to link one of your f-list characters and have litphoria make a profile with most of that stuff copied over.
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This one might be tricky, but it would be really neat to link one of your f-list characters and have litphoria make a profile with most of that stuff copied over.
created: 17 October 14 at 10:53 PM (build: 10/17/2014 1:53 PM alpha)
closed: 07 January 15 at 05:43 PM (build: 1/7/2015 1:15 AM alpha)
Wrecked Avent Site Administrator
There's a few problems with this:
Wrecked Avent Site Administrator
At the same time though, I recognize this kind of thing could reduce friction of adoption, which is super duper important if the site is to become successful.
Well, there is a big incompatibility problem between here and F-list. Its going to take alot of work to figure something out around that, when it comes to traits/interests. However, the copyrights issues are something different entirely. You may have to talk to people to ask how it can be done without infringing on their property, so to speak.
Generally speaking, I'm not a real fan of this idea. Importing a profile is basically saying ''I'm too lazy to copy-paste my stuff'' Another point: Some of the stuff here is registered differently then on F-list. So, the system would have to be able to tell the différence between a certain kick which might translate as either a certain trait or interest, or might not translate at all. (Two entries in F-list that are grouped as One on Litphoria, for example)
I like the idea of being able to do this quickly/easily click a button and my characters are here. However, the whole reason I know about f-list is because of another forum that used a profile link that would take you to a f-list or furfinity profile page, and I no longer use that forum much. The forum did not have any character generation/set-up to it however. Ease of transfer is nice, If f-list aggreed to help that would remove legal issues... no idea how likely that is.
I hate to say it but as it stands, linking or working to match litphoria's system with f-list is going to trying to poach players and they need to remain separate. If this is really a make or break kind of thing for a lot folks, maybe a simple stop gap fix of something like a 'link to alternate profiles section' for a f-list/furfinity profile pages? I am not heavily in favor of this idea - it may alleviate some growing pains but it will be something hard to remove later as I can see people getting attached to it.
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I have talked to some people on staff about the issue and they have told me that the information is good to be used elsewhere - there is even an API that would allow me to pull all of the profile information more easily.
The main issues I have still remaining are brand, ethics, and complexity. litphoira's systems are intentionally designed to be as expressive as you want them to be and do not mix well with f-list's tags; I'd end up writing a bunch of code to handle things coming in from another site. Not a particularly good use of my time. Even the profile formatting is way different between the two sites. I suspect the importer would only import some specific things.
As far as brand is concerned, it's not really a good thing in my eye to say, hey look, you can import your profile from this less shitty site! I understand that my site will be grown initially with a lot of people from f-list but I am not sure I wish to associate litphoria in any meaningful way with F-list.
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I should point out that I also think improvements to profile editing will make it less of a necessity than some would think now. Especially doing things like drag'n'drop interests to create your lists.
Shift-Click to select multiple interests before dragging them in could be nifty you know! But I'll wait until its actually done before making a Feedback for it.
Personally, I'd rather have Litphoria not be associated with F-list in any way.
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Yeah, there is a bit of a "brand" issue. However, the fact of the matter is a lot of the site's first accounts will be coming from F-list.
Could create a tool to 'simplify' imports, but not do it all. Namely, only things that are similar (Gender, species, a few of the 'kinks' that are easy to match, like hetero/gay) then once the tool runs through, run people through a "completion" phase. Where they add what might be missing on their own. Makes it 'easier' without making it a 'lazy copy'
Whatcha think?
The F-List —> Litphoria migration is a given; most of us coming to Litphoria are migrating in because of slimCat's F-Chat client, so the branding argument seems moot to me. People are going to come in from F-List. It's not a matter of distancing this site from F-List, it's a matter of how it's handled.
The profile migration suggestion has more support than most others, so it's clearly something that people want. A lot of people don't like building a profile and filling in kink lists. It feels like tedious busy-work, particularly when it's the second time around. If people are going to be migrating in anyway, I think it behooves Litphoria to make that process as easy and user-friendly as possible. The easier the process, the more likely people are to make the switch.
As already mentioned, this system is wildly different from F-List's. There's still going to be a lot of stuff that the user has to do manually. That being said, even a small head-start on a profile might make the difference between someone making the switch, and not making it. Someone who puts it off is likely to never come back. Any change that increases the chances that users will create profiles here on their first visit is a change that will benefit this site.
TL;DR: I support profile imports.
Wrecked Avent Site Administrator
Grr. I dislike this issue so much. I can see the value in it but it just rubs me so wrong to have what basically amounts to poaching right there as a site feature.
I think what I'm going to do is drastically improve the new profile experience. The vision I have is hitting the button to create a new profile, then just clicking on tags that describe your character. In just a few clicks you'll end up with all of the data litphoria would be able to salvage from your F-list profile, plus you'll be able to quickly add a lot more. As a bonus, it'd also be a lot more impressive of a first user experience. I'll also probably add a tool to convert bbcode to markdown somewhere, because a lot of people will be coming from bbcode --- not just from F-list, but other places.
I think something important to remember about all of this is the scale of the import was never going to be significant. At most what would be taken is the names, images, and maybe a handful of tags.
I may reconsider an import after I add this. But I'm really just not seeing this working out in the long term.
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